Respondent won Employment Tribunal · 13 July 2023

Factory manager's unfair dismissal claim blocked by pre-termination negotiation rules

A tribunal ruled that a meeting between a factory manager and Laporte Industries UK Limited was a genuine without-prejudice negotiation, making it inadmissible in his unfair dismissal claim.

1 min read · Last updated 18 May 2026

Case details

Key facts

  • The claimant was employed as a factory manager from 8 July 2019 to 21 October 2022.
  • On 30 September 2022, the claimant attended a meeting with Paula Sturges and Jean Palmer.
  • The meeting was described as without prejudice and offers were made regarding the claimant's employment.
  • The claimant alleged improper behaviour, specifically that he was told 'I don’t have to tell you anything sonny'.
  • The tribunal preferred the respondent's evidence and found the meeting was a genuine pre-termination negotiation.
  • The tribunal found no improper behaviour and ruled the meeting inadmissible in the unfair dismissal claim.

Timeline

  1. Employment start

    Claimant began employment as a factory manager with the respondent.

  2. Without prejudice meeting

    Claimant attended a meeting with Paula Sturges and Jean Palmer. He was told it was without prejudice and offered a foreman role or termination with payment.

  3. Revised offer email

    Jean Palmer emailed the claimant revising the offer to termination only.

  4. Employment termination

    Claimant's employment was terminated by the respondent.

  5. First preliminary hearing

    Preliminary hearing before Regional Employment Judge Swann identified the admissibility issue.

  6. Second preliminary hearing

    Employment Judge Heap heard evidence and submissions on the Section 111A issue.

The outcome

The tribunal decided that the meeting on 30 September 2022 was a genuine pre-termination negotiation and therefore inadmissible in the unfair dismissal claim. The key reason was that the tribunal preferred the respondent's evidence, finding no improper behaviour—the only allegation was that the claimant was told 'I don’t have to tell you anything sonny', which did not amount to improper behaviour. No compensation was awarded as the claim was not successful.

Lessons & takeaways

  • Employers should clearly label meetings as 'without prejudice' or 'pre-termination negotiations' to benefit from Section 111A protection.
  • Employees should be aware that allegations of improper behaviour must be substantiated with credible evidence to make a protected conversation admissible.
  • Tribunals will assess the genuineness of pre-termination negotiations based on the overall conduct, not just isolated comments.

A protected conversation that stuck

A factory manager with three years' service was called to a meeting with his employer, Laporte Industries UK Limited, on 30 September 2022. He was told it was a without-prejudice discussion and offered a foreman role or termination with a payment. The manager later claimed the meeting was not a genuine negotiation but a disciplinary meeting, and that he was treated aggressively—specifically, that one of the employer's representatives said 'I don’t have to tell you anything sonny'.

What the tribunal decided

Employment Judge Heap held a preliminary hearing to decide whether the meeting was covered by Section 111A of the Employment Rights Act 1996, which protects pre-termination negotiations from being used as evidence in unfair dismissal claims. The tribunal heard evidence from both sides and found the employer's witnesses credible. The meeting was a genuine attempt to negotiate an exit, and the alleged comment did not amount to improper behaviour. As a result, the meeting was ruled inadmissible, severely weakening the manager's unfair dismissal claim.

What the employer did right

Laporte Industries clearly marked the meeting as without prejudice and made concrete offers. They also had two witnesses who gave consistent evidence. The tribunal noted that the claimant's representative did not pursue the improper behaviour argument strongly, which helped the employer's case.

What this means for similar cases

This case shows that Section 111A can be a powerful shield for employers if they conduct negotiations in good faith. Employees who believe a protected conversation was tainted by improper behaviour need to provide solid evidence—vague allegations are unlikely to succeed. The decision also highlights the importance of credibility: tribunals will weigh witness testimony carefully, and a clear, consistent account from the employer can carry the day.

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